Crbnly Conversations

EV Vehicles of Third Kind

CRBNLY Season 1 Episode 74

In this episode, we electrify the conversation with a deep dive into the world of tiny electric vehicles (EVs) 🚗⚡. They discuss the global shift towards electric mobility, focusing on the impact of EVs on the environment and their growing popularity in urban areas 🌍🏙️. From personal experiences to the future of EV infrastructure, they cover it all, leaving listeners buzzing with excitement about the electric revolution 🔌🌱. #CrbnlyConversations #SustainableLiving #ClimateCoach #ElectricVehicles #Sustainability #UrbanMobility #ElectricRevolution #EcoFriendlyTransport

Useful Resources
Tiny Electric Vehicles Pack a Bigger Climate Punch Than Cars - The New York Times
EV Charging for Airbnb Hosts | Noodoe
Guests Charging Electric Car Without Permission - Airbnb Community

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Chadwick (00:00.27)
Let's do it!

Shane (00:07.856)
And then we can we can just try Starting like without the intro because I'm a still pre record the intro and all that so we can just like start talking or whatever

Chadwick (00:19.694)
Okay, let's do it.

Shane (00:20.496)
So.

tiny electric vehicles pack a bigger climate punch than cars. That's the topic, that's the title of this New York Times article, which...

Chadwick (00:36.526)
Yeah.

They do. I kind of, I'm jumping ahead here because I think we'll converse about this, but I think our episode title is like, EV vehicles of a third kind, kind of like spirited into that like aliens, like outer space, because we were just talking before we started recording.

Shane (00:39.312)
Very informative, that's for sure.

Shane (01:02.832)
Yeah.

Chadwick (01:07.182)
Here in America, we're very car dependent car centric. We think about cars or at least I'm gonna distract my own biases That's how I think people get around from my own transportation or public transportation cars and buses big vehicles In this whole article is laying out. It's like actually the push to EVs across the globe or one like motorcycles and three -wheelers and trikes, which I Mean it's bizarre when you think about like let's just

Shane (01:17.808)
Yeah.

Chadwick (01:36.75)
change all the street images we have in our head or maybe AI would generate for us and replace them with the bikes and trikes and motorcycles you see around the globe but not necessarily here. I don't know. That's what got me going on this article. Just that thought.

Shane (01:51.536)
Yeah, I mean, it definitely highlights more of the...

Not necessarily third world countries, but like, cause I mean, they talk about China as the leader in having these vehicles, which makes sense. They're highly populated. Their streets are very packed cause there's so many people traveling. So it makes sense to have these smaller vehicles be popular, you know, on top of the affordability.

Chadwick (02:07.788)
Mm -mm.

Shane (02:30.192)
And then, you know, of course it touches on just the...

the reduction of like the effect that this would have like on carbon and fossil fuels and things like that, which that's a given. Cause I mean, that's something that is very important for the whole world to start transitioning to because we've been using these ways of transportation for so long and realizing the effects that they're having. And you know,

I would love to go buy an electric vehicle today, but right now it's just not as affordable for me, especially just thinking about possibly having to put a charging station in my home, which that's another added expense to buy that and get that installed. I have a friend that's thinking about buying a Tesla. Right.

Chadwick (03:30.134)
Yeah.

Chadwick (03:33.742)
Yeah, it's not just like go buy it, right? You... Sorry, I'm cutting you off. You just can't buy it and then start charging.

Shane (03:39.15)
No, I was saying I have a friend that's thinking of buying a Tesla. Yeah, exactly. And even though Columbus, where I live at, I mean, there are charging like it's pretty easy to find a charging station nowadays. But just thinking of someone that lives, you know, further out in the boonies, like it's a whole nother added expense for them to buy this Tesla charging station to have that connected to their house and things like that. So like these.

Chadwick (03:50.316)
Uh huh.

Chadwick (04:06.158)
Mm -hmm.

Shane (04:09.336)
Smaller vehicles are kind of the way to go because you can just kind of plug those into what you already use, you know, just a normal outlet and charge the battery that way. So.

Chadwick (04:19.95)
Yeah.

Chadwick (04:23.662)
Yeah, so two things. I'm having flashes back to my childhood. I'm thinking about like riding three wheelers and four wheelers, just like we'll call them all -terrain vehicles in the woods and hunting. And those are all gas, right? Even like the rototiller that I used was all gas. Like almost I think small engines can probably be replaced and be less, maybe not less noisy, but definitely as powerful because those batteries are.

Shane (04:40.43)
Yeah.

Shane (04:49.364)
Yeah.

Chadwick (04:54.062)
pumping a pack of energy and they could still run, ran those pistons up and down and rode until you dig around. But just like imagining, like I was literally just imagining as a kid, what if they didn't have that noise? What if they didn't have that smell? What if they didn't have that extra step of like fueling it up and checking the carburetor? Like all the things that you kind of learned, never would have if everything was like battery powered, which is kind of where we're going. But.

Shane (05:15.792)
Right.

Chadwick (05:22.734)
The second thing you made me think of was like, yes, you can get an electric car Shane and not have to get a power charging station because remember episode number 67, EV's got me all charred up. One of the first charging stations along a freeway was within miles, Columbus, Ohio. It's funny. I'm just throwing that back. But yeah, like it's not.

Shane (05:34.424)
Yep, yeah. Right here in Ohio.

Yep.

Chadwick (05:51.31)
It's not simple, right? Like you just can't, I mean, I think you can do some converters, but then the horror stories that read in Airbnb is like someone rents your Airbnb for a month and has a Tesla and they just plug their out charger thing into your outlet and it just spins your electric meter as it's charging and maybe burning out some wires. Um, and all of a sudden, like you charge them your regular room, right? Let's say, but now the electric bill is like a hundred times like,

Shane (06:07.312)
Mm -hmm.

Shane (06:12.76)
Yeah.

Chadwick (06:21.902)
you still lose money somehow and because you didn't write that into your policy, you know, or stuff like that, you kind of, there's no way to claw that money back without being, getting lawyers involved. So it's crazy. I'm rambling now.

Shane (06:23.732)
Yeah.

Shane (06:35.568)
That is a good idea possibly if there's a way to look at your electricity usage and be like, okay, this guest used this amount and you add that into the, because that would be convenient for some people that have electric vehicles. But yeah, I mean, you could always look into that, I guess.

Chadwick (07:00.27)
You know what, I'm gonna...

Chadwick (07:06.222)
I'm gonna actually, I'm pulling up Airbnb right now. Now I wanna know, can I search places I might wanna stay in Airbnb on whether or not they have EV charging?

Shane (07:10.96)
that have that.

I mean, and you can do that on because because what I was going to say is like before we started recording was like the article talks a lot. A lot of the article is about public transportation. So these taxis, these rickshaws and things like that are using these smaller electric vehicles. But like in the United States, we don't like every like you could go down to the college campus and there is the dude like that's sitting on the bike.

Chadwick (07:32.908)
Uh huh.

Shane (07:45.454)
and he has the quick little bike taxi that can take you down the street or something like that, but we...

Chadwick (07:48.674)
Yeah, yeah, oh good, good. Yes, I've seen those. I've even maybe read in one, wrote in one or two, but good call. That is very American, but not top of mind.

Shane (07:55.298)
Right.

Yeah.

Shane (08:03.184)
It's not going to. Yeah, the guys, the guys not going to take you to work in it. He's going to take you down the street to another bar or whatever. But, you know, in America, if if you pulled up on a, you know, if you called an Uber or a taxi and they pulled up on a moped, you're going to look at them weird. Like I'm not hopping on the back of your moped, but it's a very common thing in a lot of other countries, you know, as a means of transportation to just hop on the back of a moped.

Chadwick (08:10.784)
Yeah.

Chadwick (08:14.56)
you

Shane (08:33.328)
with the guy and grab onto him and he takes you on your way, you know?

Chadwick (08:34.37)
Yeah, yeah.

And away you go. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Totally. I love that. I think we're going to name this episode EV Vehicles of the Third Kind because it's like got us thinking outside of our normal box. And those, yeah, those lot of times are just pedal powered. I've seen those where they can actually bike and pedal. But they're touristy things you do in the touristy area or along the nightlife district.

Shane (08:40.706)
Thank you.

Shane (08:52.304)
Yeah.

Shane (08:59.172)
Yep.

Chadwick (09:08.558)
I guess we could branch this all in. I know the article is all about like, let me rephrase this. The article is really helping us think differently about this march to carbon neutral, right? And the more EV vehicles because, you know, transportation is, I don't know you get what percent of the large part of just carbon dioxide and other pollution is in the air. Let's sneeze here. Nope. And the article really wants you to think about...

Shane (09:16.656)
Thank you.

Shane (09:20.526)
Mm -hmm.

Chadwick (09:38.958)
There's a guy with a really loud coat. Once you think about maybe it's not just around the... That's definitely not an electric one. We'll see if the robots won't clean that up or keep that in there. We'll find out. Our editing software is run by robots and levels our sounds and filters background music. So our listeners might be like, what the hell did they just talk about? We heard the rev.

Shane (09:42.452)
Wasn't an electric motorcycle, that's for sure.

Shane (09:57.528)
Heh.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Chadwick (10:08.366)
Anyways, I'm rambling again. Around the world, people are using bikes, mopeds, trikes for work, transportation, and that those are being electrified or moved to battery power and being replaced by the, replacing the gas guzzling one, like, and mass, especially like Thailand and other parts of China, Kenya, they referenced Indonesia. Um, and I can just.

Shane (10:15.736)
Yep.

Shane (10:25.776)
Mm -hmm.

Chadwick (10:33.836)
Imagine myself on one of those busy streets filled with hundreds, if not thousands of different types of bikes and trikes and cars and scooters and everything. And the noise and the smell and seeing a wave of that change go from like smog polluting, you know, gas guzzling vehicles to battery powered ones and how less noisy it's going to be. How maybe the air will be cleaner and nicer, right? Like, and just thinking about that as an option and like,

Shane (10:56.942)
Yeah.

Chadwick (11:02.99)
Maybe our biggest gains in the near term of that switch to EVs isn't the cars. I mean, we'll get there. Not that there's a lot of programs making that march happen here in America and then around the world. But I guess the dirty little secret is like they all got to get charged and charging that takes power plants and depending on which power source they're to generate electricity. But they are at least concentrating all the pollution.

Shane (11:14.606)
Yep.

Chadwick (11:32.142)
in the energy and you could hypothetically use solar power or other, you know, the geothermal and the other things that countries are doing to enhance or protect their grid versus just natural gas and coal, smoky gross things that we use today. It's crazy. Like, I don't know. I feel like, I mean, we both were like to today and out late last night. So like,

Shane (11:50.8)
Damn.

Chadwick (12:01.612)
It might be a rambling conversation about EVs of a third kind, but I think they kind of fit in place.

Shane (12:04.304)
Well, yeah. Well, I know a lot of people come to our podcast to get statistics and facts. So I guess I could throw one out there from the article. So it says, this is according to Bloomberg NEF, which is a research arm of Michael Bloomberg's financial and data and media company. But overall, elect...

Electric mo the shift to electric mobility overall has reduced the global oil demand by 1 .8 million barrels And it says two and three wheelers account for 60 % of that reduction

Chadwick (12:44.506)
Damn.

Shane (12:46.64)
Yeah, so that's pretty big. And then I'll give an example of something that, where I live at in Columbus, Ohio, what they're trying to do. So about a year or so ago, they started the Columbus e -bike incentive pilot program. And this is a program focused on getting people to start switching to e -bikes.

So basically, I think it's from that and just like to make it easier for people to decide, okay, I can now take my, depending on where you live and work, you can use this bike as an easier way to commute basically. So that.

Chadwick (13:16.878)
Oh, versus what? Switching from motorcycles?

Chadwick (13:34.382)
Mm -hmm.

Chadwick (13:41.326)
Got it.

Shane (13:42.096)
So basically that there was some government funding. I forget how much it was, but so anyone, any household with an income less than one hundred and fifty thousand a year could apply. People with Medicaid receive the highest incentive amount. And depending on your income, you would receive a five hundred to twelve hundred dollar basically like a. Credit to go to selected.

Chadwick (14:06.67)
credit.

Shane (14:10.736)
bike stores in the city to purchase an e -bike. So one of my friends, Bo, that works with Franklinton Farms was approved for this first round. And Bo ended up getting a $900 credit and went to our local bike shop right down the street, Franklinton Cycle Works. You guys have heard me talk about it and was able to purchase an $1 bike.

Chadwick (14:25.198)
Okay.

Shane (14:39.76)
e -bike so basically out of pocket was only $200 plus you know taxes and things like that which just made it and in helmet of course and made it you know very affordable for them to to get around so I'm looking forward to more funding for that I think it's a way to you know there still are a lot of things that the city needs to do to make it more biker friendly but at least this is a start you know.

Chadwick (14:45.594)
and a helmet.

Chadwick (15:06.926)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah, that's huge. I really like that angle that you were kind of sharing within that story is that.

Shane (15:10.264)
Yeah

Chadwick (15:19.086)
It's the familiarity piece of these, like these, maybe these credits, like, yes, they're going to help your friend, others get around, be more environmentally friendly. But unless we're starting to use products like this, I mean, Americans are stubborn, they're going to keep doing what they're doing. But also like a bunch of them have a bunch of e -bikes, like I'm going to want an e -bike and the infrastructure, they're going to support the e -bikes and that familiarity is pretty awesome. It's an awesome angle. Um, so the -

Shane (15:32.176)
Yeah.

Chadwick (15:47.918)
Does he like riding the e -bike? Does he feel it's scary or dangerous because it's got so much power? Does it scoot? Or what's his reaction been? Or she, sorry.

Shane (15:54.32)
She's getting used to it. You know, she makes jokes on Facebook show posts, like is there any bike clubs looking for a new rider? She's getting used to it. And I think that that's also, even last night, having dinner with my girlfriend's parents, I asked her.

We were talking about riding bikes and I was speaking about this program with her mom and her mom's just like talking about how dangerous the bikes are just as far as because of the speed they can go. And then also said that she didn't want the battery to blow up her house. And I'm just like, well, I don't know if that's that common. This article does touch on like the...

Chadwick (16:44.846)
Yeah.

Shane (16:52.752)
the dangers of the lithium batteries. I think New York City has like a really big issue with it. So yeah, there's some pushback when it comes to that. And then one thing you'll probably think is funny is like, so when I got my haircut about a week ago, my barber, he's telling me about this pickup truck that he bought off of.

Chadwick (16:55.38)
Yeah.

Chadwick (17:13.454)
Yeah.

Shane (17:21.872)
think Craigslist or something like somewhere online, either Facebook marketplace or Craigslist for like $5 ,000. It's like a Toyota, one of the smaller Toyota pickup trucks. You know, he's real excited. And so after I was his last cut for the night, so he's like, hey, do you want to go see the trucks? I'm like, all right, go outside with him. He's showing me his truck. And then he gets into this whole conversation about like,

He's like, yeah, man, we got to buy more of these gas powered vehicles because like the government, they just want it like in 20 years, you might not even it might not even be legal to have one. And, you know, with the electric vehicles, if you're running from the cops, the cops can probably just stop your car from a control switch. And yeah. And I was just like, oh, OK, I see where we're I see where we're going.

Chadwick (17:57.55)
Oh no.

Chadwick (18:13.39)
Aw man.

Chadwick (18:20.574)
That poor guy. I mean, it... Yes, I've had multiple conversations with people about like, we gotta keep buying beef because they're trying to stop farmers and cows from like being on the shelf. I'm like, we eat so much beef, that's never gonna be a problem in our lifetime. And the same with those trucks. It's, again, a lot of this, like, I think this. This is my take on taking stuff.

Shane (18:22.928)
Yeah.

Shane (18:34.862)
Yeah.

Shane (18:39.824)
No, not at all.

Chadwick (18:49.676)
a step back. So there's been a lot of policies and credits, you know, from the local level in Columbus, all the way up to the federal level, and the United States government and globally to move towards a more sustainable future in some ways. And one of the big things that they've been doing, at least locally and nationally is electric cars, electric vehicles. And that, what was it last year at the Super Bowl? Like there's,

I don't know, 20 % or 18 % of all the ad dollars and ad time was about electric vehicles and companies marketing and selling. And there's been this big push to modernize that, even unionize the battery plants that are across like North Carolina, Alabama, and even Kentucky that they're starting to build. And GM, Ford, they all got on this and they've been trying to push consumers in that direction. And for a while it was.

Shane (19:18.864)
Mm -hmm.

Chadwick (19:45.038)
And yes, there are states where they're replacing a lot of their gas gasoline cars with electric cars. Um, but it's almost like hit a roadblock pun intended. And the last let's say six months, cause the demand for him hasn't like skyrocketed. Like they need to keep up the production volumes that have even like the Ford 150 is that the supercharger or the super volt. I forget what they add the tagline on it. Like they got the electric version. It's a bad -ass truck. It can do all the things the gas one does and it has plugins for your.

Shane (19:45.04)
Yeah.

Shane (20:10.702)
Nice. Yeah. Yep.

Chadwick (20:14.784)
Contractor gear your fishing gear like like that's Let's say it like this and it kills me but that's the man's man truck because it has all the gadgets and Charges quickly. It has like a 300 plus mile range But so like and I think a lot of like the diagnostics of this move for this march towards EV it is and this is where I think this article really contrasts really well for us is Like we need the infrastructure, right? We need EV stations just like

Shane (20:22.448)
Yeah.

Chadwick (20:44.142)
or at every gas station. Like we've talked about Buc -ee's, you've been to a Buc -ee's. They're opening a ginormous Buc -ee's. Okay, so you, and some of our listeners have, but they're opening one, I just read this the other day, between Austin and San Antonio and San Marcos. This is a pretty big town. And it's gonna have, the line was like, it's gonna have like 176 gas pumps and almost like 180 to 220 EV charging ports. So like.

Shane (20:46.032)
Yeah.

I've never been to one, but I've heard of them. Yeah.

Chadwick (21:13.454)
going to have more places to charge your electric vehicle than pump for gas, which how many people are driving between San Antonio and Austin have electric cars, probably a lot. Austin has a lot of EVs for their density of their population. So I think it's like that stuff has to catch up. And then also the people are going to be, you know, that guy, if he bought a really cool, like if you could afford to buy, you know, that Ford, he'd, I don't know if he'd be thinking that thing or saying that thing about how bad ass these trucks are, but.

Shane (21:25.218)
Right.

Chadwick (21:42.734)
I mean, that doesn't mean all gas cars are gonna go away eventually. Probably not. But like, it's gonna be an infrastructure thing as well. Which again, back to the New York Times here is, they're already doing it across the globe, but they're just doing it in a much simpler way, which is bikes and trikes. Moped.

Shane (21:56.432)
They're, yeah, they're way ahead of us. And it even spoke about in Nairobi, there's a startup named ARC Ride. So what they do is at gas stations, they have these cabinets kind of like, I would compare them to like those Amazon lockers that you kind of see. Or even like,

Chadwick (22:23.118)
Okay. Yeah.

Shane (22:26.128)
Even anyone that some gas stations, especially here in the Midwest have like those propane lockers. So there's like propane tanks that are locked up in lockers. So basically the, exactly. So they have that similar thing to where like the taxi drivers can just pull up and then from a app on their phone, they can open up one of the lockers and exchange out their battery.

Chadwick (22:33.07)
Yeah, yeah. Like give a take, take a take.

Shane (22:52.464)
get a new freshly charged battery, which then will help them. It says like, they'll be good for at least 56 miles, which is about a full day's work for a motorcycle slash taxi driver. So I mean, they're way ahead of us, you know? And it also said how, cause how I spoke about like, how would you feel if you caught an Uber and they pulled up on a moped?

Chadwick (23:08.142)
Got it.

Shane (23:22.416)
Um...

Chadwick (23:23.47)
No thanks.

Shane (23:24.944)
It said that Uber is actually piloting. I'm trying to find it.

Chadwick (23:32.974)
Yeah, well you find it's like to your point like in America if you order in an Uber and all of a sudden like the tubes or the fork door like sedan you thought that was kicking you up all of a becomes a muck head with you and your friends got a pile on. Like I don't know how people are gonna do that. I mean, but it doesn't mean they aren't in other places.

Shane (23:41.136)
Yeah.

Shane (23:45.104)
Yeah.

Shane (23:52.688)
Yeah, so also in Nairobi, Uber is testing their first electric two -wheeler options there. So I mean...

It's genius, you know? So like, I think we just, it's not always an affordability thing. I think with America, like we're saying, it's more of a mindset too, of just like, we need the diesel trucks and you know, so yeah.

Chadwick (24:06.574)
Crazy.

Chadwick (24:17.262)
Yeah.

Chadwick (24:21.326)
Now.

Chadwick (24:25.038)
It, I'm just thinking of use cases, like for me.

went to the deer cabin, brought a three -wheeler or four -wheeler with, you can also bring your gas can so the gas has enough fuel for the thing to work and run. And if you brought an EV or a battery -powered four -wheeler, there's no charger because there's no electricity at the deer cabin, right? So like there's spaces where you're gonna want that, you know, especially if that's what you primarily use it for, but if you're using it at your home or at a cabin that does is on the grid.

Shane (24:37.688)
Hehe.

Chadwick (25:02.222)
I mean, you don't have to carry the gas can, you know, you can actually buy one of those. And I think it's, I think it's just gonna come down to a lot of those like use cases and can you, and does it provide the big same punch? Like if I needed to have this power, I got to drag stuff, whatever it is it's using for. Like if the battery powered version of it is just as good and usable, but also affordable and I mean.

Shane (25:20.142)
Yeah.

Chadwick (25:30.862)
and see people wanting to deal with like engines that have all these parts that break down when you're in the middle of a job. I mean, you'll never break down like the wheel shaft or the axle or the struts or like something's always going to be there that can break on either side, but you lose so many moving parts when you don't have an engine. Um, but it will be the first to say, probably not the first, but on this podcast, first to say is all those moving parts of an engine represent work.

Shane (25:35.694)
Yeah.

Shane (25:46.104)
Right.

Chadwick (26:00.526)
suppliers and jobs, some around the world, some here in America. So how we care for that as well as we march towards EVs of a third kind is really critical.

Shane (26:13.966)
Yeah, oddly enough, this one of the garages here close to my house, a street over on Sullivan in the last three months or so, they opened up and it's an actual, it's a mechanic, but dedicated just for electric vehicles. So like anyone that has a electric vehicle can go to them. They have a mechanic shop, they do bodywork. They rent electric vehicles out.

Chadwick (26:31.59)
Wow.

Shane (26:43.066)
It's pretty cool. Yeah, pretty cool concept. And I think we'll see more and more of those pop up. I think even Tesla, cause I know before like you couldn't go anywhere else and get your Tesla worked on. Like it didn't count towards like the warranty. And I think Tesla now is starting to let go of some of that to where you can actually go to these other people and get your car worked on. So.

Chadwick (26:43.438)
That's cool.

Chadwick (26:57.966)
Yeah.

Chadwick (27:01.582)
Yeah.

Chadwick (27:10.606)
Yeah, it's coming. I mean, it's already here. We're just of a third kind, which is not the typical vehicles that we at least think about our day to day commuting transportation. But there's a lot of American use cases where these bikes, mopeds, trikes, four wheelers, electric versions. I mean, I'm just going way back, dude. This is memory lane article here for Chad. I've golfed a lot. Guess what? The golf carts I've always used.

Shane (27:17.688)
Yeah.

Shane (27:37.744)
Yep, yep, yep.

Chadwick (27:40.046)
They were battery. I mean, smelly big DC, like daisy chain batteries, you know, car batteries. But I mean, it was an all electric vehicle and you just put it on the charger at the end of the new parked in your little golf cart garage at the golf course. So this stuff wasn't new to us. It's just now been, I mean, it's the battery packs that are making the difference and that technology is just going. Anyways, I feel like I've rambled my way through.

Shane (27:46.192)
Yeah.

Shane (27:59.63)
Yeah.

Chadwick (28:09.614)
the things that made me excited about this. How about you, Shane? You feel like you got enough rambling in?

Shane (28:11.76)
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I would recommend everyone to check out the article. As always, we'll put the link in the bio, but it of course touches more on the environmental impact. But if you're listening to our podcast, you know that we're talking about it because of the environmental impact. So we don't have to really touch on all of that. Like I think it's a no brainer.

to think on how electric vehicles are better for the environment. So we kind of touched more on like our experiences and what's going on here in Columbus to kind of change the mindset of people and have these e -bikes become more popular, things like that. But if you're wanting to read more about the environmental impact.

especially in these other countries, you know, check out the article and...

That's about it. I look forward to having an e -electro vehicle one day, you know? So...

Chadwick (29:12.438)
And shout out.

Chadwick (29:20.012)
Yeah, I imagine like I can't imagine needing a vehicle for a while while I still live in Highlight Down's public transportation heavy New York City, but one day I'm gonna and We'll definitely look at it and that seems cleaner and a shout out to Airbnb. I found two things. A you can search for homes Airbnb stays that have EV charging and then B there's a forum question about like hey, just like I was saying I'm a host and my guest came in

Shane (29:36.176)
Oh, okay.

Chadwick (29:48.558)
And they started charging their electric vehicle and I don't have a policy for or against it. Like probably on the hook, blah, blah, blah. And then there's like a whole diatribe of people responding, like kick them off. Are there local stations? You're probably in a like, so it's, it's a thing that if I mean, it needs to boil down to even like the curated guest experience that Airbnb allows you to do as an individual, right? Like, but they got a filter for it. So if you are EV -acclined.

Shane (30:11.312)
Yeah. Yeah.

Chadwick (30:17.614)
And you got your moped tooting around whatever states this year doing Airbnb stays you can stay at once that already say that you've either provided or charged

Shane (30:26.576)
That's pretty cool. And if you're an Uber user, I think Uber now, you can select an EV to pick you up. So I mean, if that's another way to help lower your carbon footprint, if you don't own an EV but you use Uber a lot. So that's what we're here for.

Chadwick (30:29.006)
It is pretty cool. Good.

Chadwick (30:35.214)
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Chadwick (30:42.542)
We're all filled with good ideas.

Yeah, you can actually select. Boom, dropping EV of the third time gems all over the Saturday morning.

Shane (30:55.216)
So, it's a good one. Yeah, I need to get something in, yeah. I'm not a caffeine drinker, but a cup of coffee would help right now probably.

Chadwick (30:59.66)
I got some caffeine in me.

Chadwick (31:08.462)
Yeah. Well, Shane, you have an electrifying week.

Shane (31:15.216)
Where's the.

Chadwick (31:18.638)
But I'll find the hair. Get the drum roll, please.

Shane (31:21.098)
They've changed the way it... oh here we go. There we go. Till next time.

Chadwick (31:26.05)
So delayed and stuff like that. Until next time, good day.


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